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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Nothing quite so succinct is in the handbook - but the intended audience is different. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Nat & Becka are good examples of people who want to do the <i>cave-surveying</i> nerding but not the <i>programmer</i> nerding.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>This is a big gap in the handbook.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>I have been concentrating on the numpty guides for uploading photos, gpslogs, and downloading gps tracks and waypoints.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>I have also been playing catch-up in the expert-nerding pages on how to edit the handbook and use rsync, scp, sftp and whatnot because Tom and Radost need that otherwise they tend to just guess and hope (which has gone OK so far..). see <a href="http://expo.survex.com/handbook/manual.html#usernamepassword">http://expo.survex.com/handbook/manual.html#usernamepassword</a> and <a href="http://expo.survex.com/handbook/computing/keyexchange.html">http://expo.survex.com/handbook/computing/keyexchange.html</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>But the most important bit is the bit in the middle!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>which is <a href="http://expo.survex.com/handbook/caveentry.html">http://expo.survex.com/handbook/caveentry.html</a> and is mostly full of “TO DO” paragraphs<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>What there is - and it needs editing I know - is here:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://expo.survex.com/handbook/manual.html#manual">http://expo.survex.com/handbook/manual.html#manual</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://expo.survex.com/handbook/manual.html#editingthedata%20management%20system">http://expo.survex.com/handbook/manual.html#editingthedata%20management%20system</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Clearly that manual.html page needs to be expanded hugely and split up into the 2 types of nerd: carve-nerd and programmer-nerd.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Or are there more types ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Philip<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Wookey [mailto:wookey@wookware.org] <br>Sent: 29 July 2019 16:25<br>To: Nat D<br>Cc: Becka Lawson; Julian Todd; Philip Sargent<br>Subject: Re: Server down? And all.svx</span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On 2019-07-29 08:45 +0200, Rebecca Lawson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Also Nat (cc-ed) was asking how to get copies of the loser and <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> drawings repositories. Is there an easy guide anywhere? Given my <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> versions don't work I don't think I could get it to work for him.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>OK. here's my guide to how to do this. For Debian. If you are using Windows then its 'whatever the equivalent steps on windows are'.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>sudo apt install ssh git mercurial survex tunnelx ssh-keygen (passwordless is fine, but add apassword if you like) email the .ssh/id_rsa.pub file it generates to someone like me to add to people/machines authorised to use the expo server <wait for confirmation, check that ssh expo@expo.survex.com works for you - it'll ask that question about authenticating the server the first time, and if you've set it up for the old server it'll complain that the server has changed ID(!) and show a rune for reomving the old ID><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>mkdir expo; cd expo<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>hg clone ssh://expo@expo.survex.com/~/loser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>hg clone ssh://expo@expo.survex.com/~/expoweb<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>git clone ssh://expo@expo.survex.com/~/drawings<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>That's it - you have all the data and can now commit, push, pull etc to your hearts content.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I'll put that in the handbook somewhere unless Phil shows me that it's already there somewhere.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Modern Windows (10?) does have a copy of ubuntu inside it, so you can just do this in there ('Windows Subsystem for Linux'). Otherwise you get to do the same process but somewhat obfuscated by a lot of confusing dialogs. (and you want 'putty' instead of 'ssh')<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Wookey<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>--<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>