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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Hi Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Sorry, yes the </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>reference to </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk">mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk</a> is in the annual mission statement  in<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://expo.survex.com/years/2001/goals.htm">http://expo.survex.com/years/2001/goals.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>and none of those <span style='color:#0070C0'>expo.survex.com/years/ </span>reports are managed by troggle, though it does leap into view if you mistype a URL and it offers to create the page for you – which is rather annoying default behaviour.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From 2001 onwards there is a more regular naming system for the reports, e.g.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://expo.survex.com/years/2000/report.htm">http://expo.survex.com/years/2000/report.htm</a> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>which I see was done by you. This became even more systematic as the /years/ page began to be used for planning too, and 2018 </span><a href="http://expo.survex.com/years/2018/">http://expo.survex.com/years/2018/</a> <span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>is a high point for that. This year the expo leaders are using Slack but we have no copying or archiving process in place to more-properly record that apart from manually copying things and creating HTML by hand (I’m doing a couple of those now).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>These are all straight HTML – no trogglishness.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The troggle reports are working for me:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://expo.survex.com/expeditions">http://expo.survex.com/expeditions</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>and I found the consolidated table at the bottom of that page/report incredibly useful for sorting out bad and broken wallets data as it combines logbook trips with survey trips recorded in the svx files.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>This also shows an appalling lack of logbook entries for trips we know happened because we have the survey notes. This is even worse in recent years.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>But I still have no clue what was on <a href="http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/">http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/</a> - mostly transport planning I imagine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Philip<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>PS I still have 3 bottles of your wine brought back from Expo2018.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Mark Shinwell [mailto:mshinwell@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 01 January 2020 18:03<br><b>To:</b> Philip Sargent (Gmail)<br><b>Cc:</b> Martin Green<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Chasing http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Well I went to the Expo website, to the years list, and tried to look at 2000 and 2001. All the links are broken. One of the problems is a duplicate "/years/" in the URL, but that's not all.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I did manage to get the 2000 report by fixing one of the URLs, but I couldn't see any references to <a href="http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk">mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk</a>, which has indeed been offline for many years. Can you please point me directly at the page containing these links (and ditto for 2001)?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The problems I see here with basic information not being accessible are pretty disheartening and reinforce my view that Troggle has, overall, been a complete disaster. I've had some discussions in the past about a dramatically simpler replacement, and it looks like I should start thinking again. I don't see how the current state is sustainable.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mark<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 17:48, Philip Sargent (Gmail) <<a href="mailto:philip.sargent@gmail.com">philip.sargent@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'>Mark,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'>I see that this is probably yours. Do you have an archive of it ? Or has it all already got converted into the current expo system?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'>Philip</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'>PS Sorry for bothering you Martin.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Philip Sargent (Gmail) [mailto:<a href="mailto:philip.sargent@gmail.com" target="_blank">philip.sargent@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 29 December 2019 17:42<br><b>To:</b> 'Martin Green (<a href="mailto:martin.speleo@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.speleo@gmail.com</a>)'<br><b>Subject:</b> Chasing <a href="http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/" target="_blank">http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi Martin,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There are references in the 2000 and 2001 expo reports of stuff on <a href="http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#008787;background:white'>http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>which has been defunct for years. The new CUCC website has archives going back to only 2008: <a href="https://camcaving.uk/Documents/Expo/Legacy/" target="_blank">https://camcaving.uk/Documents/Expo/Legacy/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>so I wondered if you had a personal archive of any of the things that were on <a href="http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Palatino Linotype","serif";color:#008787;background:white'>http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>..oho.. the wayback machine has some of it<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20031124231315/mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20031124231315/mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>